For decades, we have wildly underestimated the growth of renewables. Now that cost curves and deployments have exceeded all expectations, what’s next for the clean energy industry?

This week, we feature a conversation between journalist David Roberts and futurist Ramez Naam about what’s ahead for tech trends – from renewables and batteries, to grid management, to space-based solar power and geoengineering.

This conversation was recorded in Seattle at a recent Canary Media Live event. Be sure to get your tickets to the Bay Area event in October. 

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