Note: this is a crossover episode between The Carbon Copy and Columbia Energy Exchange.

The conflict between Ukraine and Russia is intensifying. President Biden says that Putin could send troops into Ukraine any day.

Some NATO countries, including the US, are sending military equipment to Ukraine. But Germany is holding back. And that is partly because of fears over gas supply.

Jason Bordoff has been watching the diplomatic dance. And it is closely tied to the geopolitics of energy.

It reveals the tricky dynamics between Russia and the rest of Europe. Countries like Germany have invested vast amounts of money in renewables in the hopes of cutting dependence on imported fossil fuels. But they’re still deeply tied to Russia’s gas. 

This week on The Carbon Copy: how a clean energy transition might actually strengthen petrostates like Russia, before finally changing who wields the power.

Guest: Jason Bordoff, Director of the Center on Global Energy Policy and host of Columbia Energy Exchange

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